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Post by pcmusicfan!!! on May 19, 2015 18:28:43 GMT
holy shit this thread. I dont wanna hurt anyones feelings cause you guys do probs get some enjoyment out of thinking about this shit, but jesus you guys are reaching for things that are not there.
This henriik the artist guy probably was first exposed to pc music through these fucking dissertations about pc music's "secret messages" behind their personas & their crazy satire, instead of just finding cool pop music naturally. If you guys dont like that this henrik guy is copying PC music's style, then maybe you guys should stop talking about this shit & talk about the MUSIC <<<< because the music speaks for itself you dont even need to be on twitter to 'get' pc music. good golly..lol
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Post by pcmusicfan on May 19, 2015 18:50:41 GMT
i may come off as mean & i dont wanna crush anyones dreams, but its just more than a little bit dissapointing (to ME) when people on this board -- people who are really invested in the music pc music puts out -- are much more interested in talking about what sophie is saying & their aesthetics than the music.
initially i was okay with it but now it just kind of irks me.. I was okay with critics & fans critically analazing their 'secret messages' or whatever because i'm like "ok yay more people will talk about them thats great, more exposure to pc music = more fans = more music right? but now that i think aout it, most of this isnt a good introduction to pc music..
if i ever ask someone if they listen to pc music, i'd want their response to be "oh you mean that label that puts out some forward thinking pop music?" rather than "oh yeah that label with a bunch of wacky personas on twitter that send secret messages through non-bindary genders ect ect ect"
its just disheartening to see more of those crazy theorys about whatever the heck you guys think pc music are doing rather than people gushing over their music. because ultimately thats just going to have more people check out pc music looking specifically for "key ironic phrases" in the cover art or lyrics rather than just checking out to see if its their thing or not..
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Post by valetgirls on May 19, 2015 19:10:12 GMT
the top of his tumblr is a pic of Brit. I'm sold   |
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Post by generalmusicfan1 on May 19, 2015 20:24:12 GMT
The message I'm taking home is that we shouldn't enjoy pc music as much, because it is mostly made by straight males. and that its too bad that ag cook and sophie are who they are.
So we need pc music to be represented by minorities for it to be O.K. to listen to?
Wait a second. why does it even matter that much about what or who someone like ag cook is? besides the fact that he's an artist thats doing us all a great favor by making music.
Sure we can weep that he isn't female, black, or transsexual but is that his fault? Obviously not, so the matter feels pretty irrelevant to me.
Yea, identity is very relevant and important in this day and age. and it would be great if pc music was represented by minorities. But how can it be rational to frown upon pc music just because of the cis male identities that lead it? I honestly feel like I'm missing something
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Post by valetgirls on May 19, 2015 20:57:12 GMT
The message I'm taking home is that we shouldn't enjoy pc music as much, because it is mostly made by straight males. and that its too bad that ag cook and sophie are who they are. So we need pc music to be represented by minorities for it to be O.K. to listen to? Wait a second. why does it even matter that much about what or who someone like ag cook is? besides the fact that he's an artist thats doing us all a great favor by making music. Sure we can weep that he isn't female, black, or transsexual but is that his fault? Obviously not, so the matter feels pretty irrelevant to me. Yea, identity is very relevant and important in this day and age. and it would be great if pc music was represented by minorities. But how can it be rational to frown upon pc music just because of the cis male identities that lead it? I honestly feel like I'm missing something orrrrrrrrrrrrrr just do your own thing and not give af about what the theories of other fans are and live your life normally. the glory of PC Music: you get out as much as you put in. If you wanna listen to good pop music, go ahead and listen to the music of tomorrow. Wanna talk about identity politics in the 21st century? It's ripe for conversation. but it's okay, i'm latino, so my music's okay to listen to  /sarcasm
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Post by conor on May 20, 2015 9:33:35 GMT
i may come off as mean & i dont wanna crush anyones dreams, but its just more than a little bit dissapointing (to ME) when people on this board -- people who are really invested in the music pc music puts out -- are much more interested in talking about what sophie is saying & their aesthetics than the music. initially i was okay with it but now it just kind of irks me.. I was okay with critics & fans critically analazing their 'secret messages' or whatever because i'm like "ok yay more people will talk about them thats great, more exposure to pc music = more fans = more music right? but now that i think aout it, most of this isnt a good introduction to pc music.. if i ever ask someone if they listen to pc music, i'd want their response to be "oh you mean that label that puts out some forward thinking pop music?" rather than "oh yeah that label with a bunch of wacky personas on twitter that send secret messages through non-bindary genders ect ect ect" its just disheartening to see more of those crazy theorys about whatever the heck you guys think pc music are doing rather than people gushing over their music. because ultimately thats just going to have more people check out pc music looking specifically for "key ironic phrases" in the cover art or lyrics rather than just checking out to see if its their thing or not.. I don't know why people discussing PC Music in a broader artistic context bothers you. They aren't secret messages. It is a group of artists presenting themes and ideas through music and imagery. It isn't some Illuminati shit or something where you have you listen backwards but only if you are a virgin you can hear the true message. A lot of people (including me) on this forum are either artists or art students. They tend to enjoy thinking about what PC Music is doing in the grand scheme of music and it is fulfilling for some to discuss it because it is unlike most labels that don't have an artistic/aesthetic/thematic "goal." Let us enjoy our discussion and leave the countless "so great" and "fire" comments to youtube and soundcloud |
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Post by lovergirlsprecinct on May 20, 2015 11:59:48 GMT
The message I'm taking home is that we shouldn't enjoy pc music as much, because it is mostly made by straight males. and that its too bad that ag cook and sophie are who they are. So we need pc music to be represented by minorities for it to be O.K. to listen to? Wait a second. why does it even matter that much about what or who someone like ag cook is? besides the fact that he's an artist thats doing us all a great favor by making music. Sure we can weep that he isn't female, black, or transsexual but is that his fault? Obviously not, so the matter feels pretty irrelevant to me. Yea, identity is very relevant and important in this day and age. and it would be great if pc music was represented by minorities. But how can it be rational to frown upon pc music just because of the cis male identities that lead it? I honestly feel like I'm missing something No ones saying that we shouldn't listen to them because they're males or whatever. I wouldn't even say anyone's being overtly critical, were just analyzing and discussing things in terms of a broader social context. Just because you criticize something or recognize it's problematic elements doesn't mean you don't enjoy it, aren't a fan of it or can't recognize it's positive elements. Calling, or wishing, for broader representation isn't calling for the invalidation of work by artists who are white or cis or straight or whatever. Personally I find this kind of discussion really important and interesting. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum, there are broader socio-political contexts to all art, and intelligent conversation and argument about these factors are only a positive thing in my opinion. |
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Post by BaRt on May 21, 2015 5:55:46 GMT
i may come off as mean & i dont wanna crush anyones dreams, but its just more than a little bit dissapointing (to ME) when people on this board -- people who are really invested in the music pc music puts out -- are much more interested in talking about what sophie is saying & their aesthetics than the music. initially i was okay with it but now it just kind of irks me.. I was okay with critics & fans critically analazing their 'secret messages' or whatever because i'm like "ok yay more people will talk about them thats great, more exposure to pc music = more fans = more music right? but now that i think aout it, most of this isnt a good introduction to pc music.. if i ever ask someone if they listen to pc music, i'd want their response to be "oh you mean that label that puts out some forward thinking pop music?" rather than "oh yeah that label with a bunch of wacky personas on twitter that send secret messages through non-bindary genders ect ect ect" its just disheartening to see more of those crazy theorys about whatever the heck you guys think pc music are doing rather than people gushing over their music. because ultimately thats just going to have more people check out pc music looking specifically for "key ironic phrases" in the cover art or lyrics rather than just checking out to see if its their thing or not.. sorry, this is just not how i experience a project, especially not a new media one like pcm whose presence is exciting for a number of situational factors (child vocalists on dux kids, mysterious collaborations, educational backgrounds of harle and cook, new media artist connections). a lot of whats been happening on this board is exploring the extent of pcms reach, irritating to essentially be told to shut up when we want to take a look at its boundaries and limitations. pcmusic does not effectively represent the spectrum of gender, sexuality, or race, i can say pretty confidently. i should be able to say this without it being read as an attack. it's natural to have that kneejerk reaction when you hear 'racism' '(trans)misogyny' etc. but it's important to remember those words aren't accusations, they are descriptions of a perceived situation. it seems like most of us recognize there is an absence of representation on the label, we are arguing whether we think it matters or not. we are saying that it matters insofar as it is worth considering, analyzing, and questioning. not that it invalidates the label or should be a reputation that precedes it. i want pcm to thrive and continue making music and i want that for most of the scene BUT can we take a damn look at ourselves for a minute and be open to the realities of the things we love ? |
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Post by friopi on May 21, 2015 16:02:56 GMT
Personally I don't have the vocabulary or specialized knowledge to talk about the music itself in an intelligent way. I enjoy the music offline just by listening to it, dancing to it, sharing it with people, etc. The conceptual/aesthetic side, however, I do have plenty to say about and I enjoy thinking about these things. I don't feel like I have some kind of responsibility to stop doing that because it might not be the best introduction to the music for someone who's never heard of it before... I would be having these same conversations offline if I had anyone to talk about it with. I can understand if you don't agree with the specific ideas proposed by any individual in the conversation, but I don't understand why anyone would be upset just by the fact that we are having the conversation to begin with...
That said, I will admit this thread has been massively derailed from the original topic of henrik and maybe should have been moved to a new thread at some point.
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Post by Xian on May 22, 2015 10:31:40 GMT
Wow PCM forum going in HARD on this thread !
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Post by loukessler on May 23, 2015 0:52:34 GMT
This is my favorite thread tbh.
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Post by jennayres on May 24, 2015 2:27:18 GMT
cashmere just dropped henrik at sunset music festival...
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Post by nicogrund on May 30, 2015 12:25:09 GMT
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Post by loukessler on May 30, 2015 16:09:02 GMT
haha, that's like what I was saying earlier in this thread. He's very talented but still coming from the whole ironic - We ArE JoKinG- WiNk WinK - stance. There is an aspect of irony to PCM but overall, I think it's comes from a deeply genuine place. |
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Post by ♀ venus ♀ on May 31, 2015 5:00:25 GMT
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