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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 21:52:02 GMT
as i said before, they wouldn't sign the deal if they felt their creativity proccess would be hindered in any way It'd still be up for grabs though especially in the label circuit. They could be plotting some shit right now for Taylor Swift or even a comeback for Iggy Azalea. I know it happens a lot. All it takes is for one real PC Music release to go viral and all the labels will start releasing PC music type content and aesthetics while PC music doesn't get the deserving attention. Especially if they get one of the mainstream mediocre white girls on it. i just made a thread about the influence of PC Music style into other styles/genres/labels/whatevs
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Post by dr on Oct 27, 2015 8:24:45 GMT
as i said before, they wouldn't sign the deal if they felt their creativity proccess would be hindered in any way It'd still be up for grabs though especially in the label circuit. They could be plotting some shit right now for Taylor Swift or even a comeback for Iggy Azalea. I know it happens a lot. All it takes is for one real PC Music release to go viral and all the labels will start releasing PC music type content and aesthetics while PC music doesn't get the deserving attention. Especially if they get one of the mainstream mediocre white girls on it. But here's the thing – it's very easy to make something that, on the surface, resembles "PC music type content and aesthetics." Indie producers all over the internet have been getting super cutesy and candied ever since PC and SOPHIE's come-up last year. Anybody can re-pitch vocals, make club music with "cute" twinkly synths instead of dark/heavy sounds, or put up high-definition, hyperreal, glossy pictures of cute things up as their Soundcloud profile picture. So I don't see how a major label or artist jumping on board the cutesy train would be much of a change from the current trend-hopping that already exists (and always has, for countless other movements in music). To me, however, the kinds of tactics I listed above are pretty surface-level engagements with the incredibly unique, idiosyncratic style that PC Music has. One cannot simply copy what they're doing and repackage it. You try commercializing and selling a more marketable version of, say, XTREME MIXOLOGY or any GFOTY song. That shit won't work – it's deliberately abrasive and very challenging to listen to for most people. Even the best Soundcloud producers out there are unable to copy what GFOTY is doing, or Danny L Harle (because of their one-of-a-kind personality and insane musical backgrounds, respectively). Furthermore, there's also something to be said about PC Music's relationship to mainstream pop before anyone was paying attention to Cook & co. Take A.G. for instance, he lays his influences pretty bare on the table in that Tank interview, and the dude flat-out calls his style "a slick collage." He owes his entire sound to 90's chart pop, contemporary J-pop and K-pop, and countless other sounds that came before. I'm not saying his style isn't innovative – it's an incredibly fresh and disturbing hybrid/re-interpretation of his influences – but what people seem to think of as "the PC Music Sound" (if that is such a thing) is something that has been around for a while, in various forms, that seems to be coming back in a big way now because of the unique and playful approach PC Music has taken to it. tl;dr - Don't see how major labels can truly "steal" something that was kind of "stolen" from them in the first place. If you don't know what I'm talking about, Google "Max Martin" and listen to Hannah Diamond's music with fresh ears. Yes it's great stand-alone pop, but it's also incredibly wrapped up in references to other work that was, originally, of a very commercial nature.
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Post by ignatz on Oct 27, 2015 12:37:06 GMT
On the one hand the internet has made it super easy for people to rip off others and refuse to credit them (like the Azalea Banks/seapunk thing, I think I brought it up here before but its the best example I know of) but a lot of the quickly co-opted movements like that along with vaporwave, witch house etc were basically jokes to start with based on little more than surface image. And like dr says, PC Music's sound comes from so many influences that it's impossible to recreate. There have already been imitators and even the good ones don't have the same complexity or diversity in their artists. the only thing I would take issue with is that Hannah Diamond's work is a lot more complex/interesting than the average Max Martin song. I know his work sells (and sells and sells and sells) but it's much more formulaic and definitely doesn't tread the same emotional or sonic ground as Pink and Blue or Attachment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 14:35:46 GMT
On the one hand the internet has made it super easy for people to rip off others and refuse to credit them (like the Azalea Banks/seapunk thing, I think I brought it up here before but its the best example I know of) but a lot of the quickly co-opted movements like that along with vaporwave, witch house etc were basically jokes to start with based on little more than surface image. And like dr says, PC Music's sound comes from so many influences that it's impossible to recreate. There have already been imitators and even the good ones don't have the same complexity or diversity in their artists. the only thing I would take issue with is that Hannah Diamond's work is a lot more complex/interesting than the average Max Martin song. I know his work sells (and sells and sells and sells) but it's much more formulaic and definitely doesn't tread the same emotional or sonic ground as Pink and Blue or Attachment. i could never see Max doing somethings as intrinsic as Pink and Blue
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Post by -- on Oct 27, 2015 17:05:05 GMT
I see what you guys mean. Cause relatively these artists are particularly unique cause they're like well marinated in their unique genres. If anyone did try to like produce their own stem similar to PCM it wouldn't sound as good. But if it came from a mainstream artist or label it'd probably sell. It just seems weird to me that a lot of things like Seapunk and Vaporwave and stuff like this will be so cool on the Internet or the underground but it'll go mainstream for like a year then just die off. Because the underground hates the mainstream and they'll let it go and the mainstream never actually sticks to one thing. I'm not much worried for PCM I feel it won't even hit mainstream America till late 2016. America is slow as hell. I'm just worried about us dying out once it goes mainstream and they start to get "die hard fans"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 17:40:09 GMT
i think we're reading too much into this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 19:06:06 GMT
it wouldn't be the PC music forum if we weren't (reading too much into things)
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Post by friopi on Oct 27, 2015 21:24:09 GMT
i could never see Max doing somethings as intrinsic as Pink and Blue What do you mean by that? This sentence doesn't make sense, that's not how you use "intrinsic." Something is "intrinsic to" something else or is an "intrinsic part" of something.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 21:32:32 GMT
i could never see Max doing somethings as intrinsic as Pink and Blue What do you mean by that? This sentence doesn't make sense, that's not how you use "intrinsic." Something is "intrinsic to" something else or is an "intrinsic part" of something. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intrinsic#Adjective
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Post by friopi on Oct 27, 2015 22:02:57 GMT
What do you mean by that? This sentence doesn't make sense, that's not how you use "intrinsic." Something is "intrinsic to" something else or is an "intrinsic part" of something. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intrinsic#Adjective Sorry, you're wrong lol. It doesn't make any sense grammatically. Take it from a native English speaker with multiple English degrees. Did you read that definition yourself? and anyway I only mentioned it to be helpful since I know English isn't your first language.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 22:06:15 GMT
Sorry, you're wrong lol. It doesn't make any sense grammatically. Take it from a native English speaker with multiple English degrees. Did you read that definition yourself? and anyway I only mentioned it to be helpful since I know English isn't your first language. maybe it makes more sense in portuguese . could you at least understand what i meant to mean by it, though?
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Post by friopi on Oct 27, 2015 22:15:59 GMT
maybe it makes more sense in portuguese . could you at least understand what i meant to mean by it, though? No, it's completely meaningless, that's why I asked haha. It's kind of like if I said "Pink and Blue is very!" you'd be wondering "very what?"
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Post by twigs on Oct 27, 2015 23:06:01 GMT
when i parsed that, i read it as "intricate"
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Post by mxtthew on Oct 27, 2015 23:06:07 GMT
you guys are so sweet
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 23:21:50 GMT
when i parsed that, i read it as "intricate" YES! THAT! thanks
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