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Post by loukessler on May 1, 2015 23:06:17 GMT
I fuck with the fashion though.
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Post by ♀ venus ♀ on May 1, 2015 23:51:00 GMT
i don't feel like there is much fashion tho? there have been some gr8 moments like on the pc music sxsw boiler room, seeing qt wearing her custom a-l-c-h monogrammed set omG and hannah's american flag terry onesie thing. Like u can see with them and hannah they're trying to bring across a full character kinda? it sucks, it's only like the "girls" (altho qt is supposed to be non-binary???) of the label bringing an all round look along with their tunes, i feel the dudes aren't really trying as hard in that regard  ( edit: overuse of the word "tho" |
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Post by gordon_brown on May 2, 2015 0:44:33 GMT
duh, of course i know that the whole point is more than just the sound & that fashion is a big part of it. ffs every release has its own microsite, they couldnt shove this idea down our throats any harder. music releases are no longer physical mediums for songs like sheet music & vinyl & cassette & (to an extent) CDs were. music releases now become microsites, they become digital artifacts, they have no physical space and there is little demarcation to their form any more
what bothers me is those that are swept up in the whole parade & seem to benefit from their mates' success (dont make me name names here) whilst offering little more than superficial instagram uniformity to a disparate online music label that is anything but a scene. at most it is a couple of laptop producers at the same fucking rayban x converse show at SXSW. and cook seems to go along w/ it because a) they're his mates and b) he thinks its funny.
i just think its kinda fucked, and i think a lot of others do too & it puts a -lot- of ppl off some good music that they might otherwise recognise as fulfilling
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Post by loukessler on May 2, 2015 1:43:15 GMT
I think I know who you are talking about lolz.
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Post by ♀ venus ♀ on May 2, 2015 3:59:55 GMT
it sucks tho, it's only like the "girls" (altho qt is supposed to be non-binary???) of the label bringing an all round look along with their tunes, i feel the dudes aren't really trying as hard in that regard ( I feel like that's intentional satire though. It's a common thing in mainstream pop music to have pretty girls for marketing purposes, while their music and image is actually controlled by invisible male producers & executives. This is especially present in Hannah Diamond. I very much believe that the real Hannah Diamond (whatever her name is) is completely in control of her image, and her music is truly a collaboration between her and A. G. However that doesn't seem to be the case with the character she is portraying. In the Who is Hannah Diamond? video, she hesitates and sounds unsure of herself when she talks about he collaborative process, and looks down a lot like she's reading a script. All that said I would love to see some male PC Music artists with big public personas. I think it would be a very refreshing change of pace for the label. PC Music boy band anyone? this is the closest we'll get to that, they aren't even associated with pc music but they would totally fit in with their roster they formed in 2011 as an art thing i think and played like 2 shows, but they would get a huge following these days (i think they are planning a reunion soon??) also soz for derailing this thread haha |
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Post by igniz on May 2, 2015 4:31:34 GMT
^ yep. what's more depressing is this same shit's going on even within the pc music label imo. i mean, there's some serious fucking talent in there, but there's also some people who aren't very musical and aren't very creative that are just riding that wave off the backs of their talented mates and are down with all the fashion bullshit I've noticed this too. A lot of it is starting to sound the same. I guess this happens with a lot of trends. A few good artists > massive following > clones > overexposure. I understand making a track in a certain style, but just having your whole aesthetic be copying someone else is silly imo. I review in pitchfork the other day said something along the lines of "PC music and their imitators....". :/ hmm who's the not very musical/creative? Almost every release has been more or less a slam dunk so far IMO. Only releases I thought were kinda bunk is like.. Snow Other lol and Maxo isn't a core member. also yes this happens with everything that starts out fresh and original in dance music, especially in the blog/internet era. Hacky artists figure out a template from more inspired/original/talented artists and use it as a paint by numbers to produce a shitty facsimile of something with actual soul, that will nonetheless go on to be regarded as an indicator of the state of the subgenre, until the quality gets diluted so much within the niche that it's considered dead/wack, at which point something fresh has usually started it's rise anyways. I'd like to think that the PCM crew are different but it's happened so much that I'd be unrealistic to think that in 3 years there's no chance I'll be like "damn, Sophie was the fuckin man in 2013/14 but he's just tired now". Who knows, maybe he'll go the Lunice route and that's when he'll finally be releasing all these songs he's been playing out lol either way one thing I think is true at this point is that none of the imitators or people who make kinda similar music really have much of the songwriting or production finesse of Cook/Sophie/Harle, and PCM overall is still operating on a much higher level and has a lot more to say with each release than the average Manicure/Activia Singles etc.. although they are OK to fill the gap for some bouncy, sugary music when PC go quiet  |
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Post by pesos on May 2, 2015 6:18:39 GMT
I wonder if gordon was referring to people completely outside of the pc music label. if so then i agree it is very annoying that people are leeching off of pcmusic's concepts.
But it is dead wrong to say that there are people that are riding the wave in the actual label itself. Cook runs the label, it is his project. If he wanted to make music by himself without any anonymity then he probably would. I think its safe to say that everything of PC music is intentional by Cook and if you like some of it better than the rest then thats your opinion. If you don't like the "fashion bullshit" part or the imagery then just ignore it and listen to the music. no ones forcing you to do anything
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Post by toni on May 2, 2015 10:25:54 GMT
^ yep. what's more depressing is this same shit's going on even within the pc music label imo. i mean, there's some serious fucking talent in there, but there's also some people who aren't very musical and aren't very creative that are just riding that wave off the backs of their talented mates and are down with all the fashion bullshit i used to think that about harle before i got a sense of how much he produces and how good a lot of it is, im not really sure i could point at anyone on the label who doesnt contribute a lot? cant say im super into felicita (though im a huge fan of lipgloss twins) and a few affiliated ppl but idk if i feel this. who r u thinking? |
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Post by maurice_glasman on May 2, 2015 12:06:27 GMT
it takes a lot of time & effort 2 be a hater. hating is a v important job, and the role of the critic is essential 2 keeping a progressive & forward thinking cultural climate.
the pc music scene is often divisive between two extremes - those who are disgusted and irritated by the sheer overload of affect , and those who praise it as the best electronic music has to offer atm.
i just want 2 maybe raise the point to your attention that pc music is big enough to contain both reactions - that they aren't necessarily contradictory. and that sometimes pc music artists fall short of delivering more than supportive gimicks to other artists who do most the work
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Post by nicogrund on May 2, 2015 13:12:39 GMT
that sometimes pc music artists fall short of delivering more than supportive gimicks to other artists who do most the work Can anyone elaborate on what this means? |
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Post by nicogrund on May 2, 2015 13:18:12 GMT
All that said I would love to see some male PC Music artists with big public personas. I think it would be a very refreshing change of pace for the label. PC Music boy band anyone? I think a PC Music boy band would be the best thing in the world - the perfect counterpoint/companion to HD and GFOTY. Only fear is that it might become overly ironic and lack the core sincerity of most PC Music releases. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 15:15:42 GMT
Yeah, if anything my only problem with PC Music at this point is their lack of diversity within the members of the collective. It's A) girls killing and being powerful (which I love) but then talked about as if they're just some ploy A.G. Cook created for "satire" and then B) guys who have little to no social media presence because "music shouldn't be about where you grew up or how you look like bla bla bla" which is (in my opinion) is such a problematic statement and only something cis straight white men would even WANT to say. I know that's not all of their opinions, but they (all the guys) seem to follow the same rules of conduct lol. And people act like this is the way it should be like "of course the girls are fashion-forward, bubbly, cute, and dancing around and the guys are just producers chilling all the time! it's a satire of the music industry lol!!!". No. That's awful. Just saying. It only reinforces the concept that in the music industry girls have to create huge identities and put forth so much more effort to get the same recognition that cis straight white guys get for making up a "secret identity" and doing the exact opposite by being "mysterious" and putting forth little to no information about themselves. I'm not saying PC Music SHOULD be attempting to be social justice music warriors or something but it's just sad because they really have the platform to do things differently and yet it's all just "haha they're doing what the music industry has been doing forever...but it's ironic don't worry!"
Edit: I haven't seen any official statement of QT being non-binary; however, if they are that's really cool. Although slightly lame if "QT" is non-binary and Hayden isn't because that's just very......what
Edit 2: I would die for a PC Music boy band lol. As long as its not a Serious Thugs type-deal lol. Someone has to take the reigns now that One Direction is crumbling!
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Post by loukessler on May 2, 2015 15:39:15 GMT
All that said I would love to see some male PC Music artists with big public personas. I think it would be a very refreshing change of pace for the label. PC Music boy band anyone? I think a PC Music boy band would be the best thing in the world - the perfect counterpoint/companion to HD and GFOTY. Only fear is that it might become overly ironic and lack the core sincerity of most PC Music releases. I think one of the best and most inventive parts of pcm is that they effortlessly ride the sincere/ironic line. A perfect balance. It's why a lot of people don't get it. Are they serious? Are they joking? That's some innovative shit if you think about it. |
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Post by sunnyta on May 2, 2015 16:52:00 GMT
duh, of course i know that the whole point is more than just the sound & that fashion is a big part of it. ffs every release has its own microsite, they couldnt shove this idea down our throats any harder. music releases are no longer physical mediums for songs like sheet music & vinyl & cassette & (to an extent) CDs were. music releases now become microsites, they become digital artifacts, they have no physical space and there is little demarcation to their form any more what bothers me is those that are swept up in the whole parade & seem to benefit from their mates' success (dont make me name names here) whilst offering little more than superficial instagram uniformity to a disparate online music label that is anything but a scene. at most it is a couple of laptop producers at the same fucking rayban x converse show at SXSW. and cook seems to go along w/ it because a) they're his mates and b) he thinks its funny. i just think its kinda fucked, and i think a lot of others do too & it puts a -lot- of ppl off some good music that they might otherwise recognise as fulfilling yeah there are some hangers on that are only getting attention because of their affiliation coughponibbicough (don't hate i still love him) but either way i like the little community its fostered. some of you are annoyed with the cutesy 6-year-old-onthe-internet way of speaking but i kinda like it. henrik seems like a legit cool guy too |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 17:16:02 GMT
duh, of course i know that the whole point is more than just the sound & that fashion is a big part of it. ffs every release has its own microsite, they couldnt shove this idea down our throats any harder. music releases are no longer physical mediums for songs like sheet music & vinyl & cassette & (to an extent) CDs were. music releases now become microsites, they become digital artifacts, they have no physical space and there is little demarcation to their form any more what bothers me is those that are swept up in the whole parade & seem to benefit from their mates' success (dont make me name names here) whilst offering little more than superficial instagram uniformity to a disparate online music label that is anything but a scene. at most it is a couple of laptop producers at the same fucking rayban x converse show at SXSW. and cook seems to go along w/ it because a) they're his mates and b) he thinks its funny. i just think its kinda fucked, and i think a lot of others do too & it puts a -lot- of ppl off some good music that they might otherwise recognise as fulfilling yeah there are some hangers on that are only getting attention because of their affiliation coughponibbicough (don't hate i still love him) but either way i like the little community its fostered. some of you are annoyed with the cutesy 6-year-old-onthe-internet way of speaking but i kinda like it. henrik seems like a legit cool guy too Listen, I'm excited for future ponibbi releases and of any of the other internet pop music people ponibbi seems to be doing very well and making a name for themselves, separating themselves from the pack in terms of internet presence/establishing a good aesthetic, and rocking fashion. I ATLEAST want to see more dj mixes even if they don't do original songs. It's great seeing trans folk representation in a genre that's dominated by tons of straight people! Going off of that, not to be rude but you're misgendering ponibbi! |
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