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Post by arlo on Aug 2, 2015 15:53:40 GMT
Lol how does anything involving Henrik on this board instantly become a pissing contest? Anyways, I really enjoy the song/Henrik/Rytmeklubben. It definitely takes some PC sounds, insofar as Henrik does that and as someone else pointed out on the thread, Girlfriend definitely seems to be taking more from his style than other members of Rytmeklubben. Still, I think Henrik puts somewhat of a unique spin on the sound, and if not at the very least it's fun and catchy. I've found some of the more blatant PC "inspired" artists to be pretty insufferable (no one on this forum tho). Also "nu-pop"? Can we not?
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Post by ¬ on Aug 2, 2015 16:03:30 GMT
I can see this turning into another Henrik the Artist thread. Dude's cursed.
On-topic, I like the song, but not so keen on the video - mainly because I feel like incorporating iOS or emoji culture for aesthetic is really lazy and disingenuous. It's just a personal distaste for me, and it only really becomes reductive if this sort of thing is lumped in with PC in The Press.
As for Simon Whybray, the first JACK shows more or less coincided with PCM starting out - I believe A.G. played at at least one of them. It's difficult to profiteer off of something that barely existed yet. He's been a graphic designer for years, and has his own vision informed by things predating PCM. He just likes Soundcloud pop which the label naturally originated from
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Post by conor on Aug 2, 2015 16:48:37 GMT
Also "nu-pop"? Can we not? the term bubblegum bass makes me want to vom so I apologize for using different terminology
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Post by arlo on Aug 2, 2015 17:17:11 GMT
Also "nu-pop"? Can we not? the term bubblegum bass makes me want to vom so I apologize for using different terminology Yeah bubblegum bass is kinda a terrible term too. I kinda hate 90% of electronic sub-genre labels so maybe I shouldn't be the one to talk about this.
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Post by kilua on Aug 2, 2015 17:52:15 GMT
@ venus.... How can you suggest that this isn't a direct response to PCM? Henrik uses a lot of tropes found in a.g. Cook tracks (see 'friends forever and compare to 'life sim - warlord remix) and Simon whybray ( of JACK ) just profiteers off PCM as a brand. It may be hard to hear... But henrik and JACK are just fisher price versions or fake counterfeits of PCM. And in relation to you suggesting PCM is already a caricature I don't really see your argument about URLs? I'm sure PCM are smart enough to not become solely a passing Internet trend, and it's sad that you have that opinion. Like... Have you listened to JACKdansu? At all? He has friends all over that scene, including GFOTY, Sarah from KKB, etc etc etc etc etc. The type of music he plays is nu-pop but most isn't really at all like PC Music.. I don't quite see how he is profiteering off of anything considering he has only had merch since like... may? And you need to pre order it if you even want a chance at getting it. People can make and create happy/experimental pop music, it isn't like AG filed a copyright against experimental pop and now everyone else is a fisher price version of it. Dude's a dj mostly who does grime mashups too and had a band a while ago that was quite unlike PC music. Now he is a Graphic Designer and someone who curates cool music. Stop being mean. AG reuses tropes too and if you don't want to admit that then you just aren't listening. Feel free to continue on your AG IS GOD OF ALL NUPOP but you don't need to insult others making similar music. I really don't want people like &&&&&&& to be marginalized on this forum. Negative opinion is not necessarily a bad thing. I personally think it's safe to say that this song sound like 1000 of similar cutie pop on soundcloud, in other words pretty average (don't hear much PC music influence on this one tbh).
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Post by loukessler on Aug 2, 2015 19:16:10 GMT
@ venus.... How can you suggest that this isn't a direct response to PCM? Henrik uses a lot of tropes found in a.g. Cook tracks (see 'friends forever and compare to 'life sim - warlord remix) and Simon whybray ( of JACK ) just profiteers off PCM as a brand. It may be hard to hear... But henrik and JACK are just fisher price versions or fake counterfeits of PCM. And in relation to you suggesting PCM is already a caricature I don't really see your argument about URLs? I'm sure PCM are smart enough to not become solely a passing Internet trend, and it's sad that you have that opinion. Henrik's stuff is expertly produced but I don't feel like it adds much to the conversation of the PCM movement as a whole. Just kind of an aesthetic recreation but it's all good, that's what a lot of music is anyways. There is a super fine line between what i think PCM does and parody/ironic stuff. There is an element of irony but it's not completely 'LoL weRe BeiNg CuTe And StiuPid.' I think that is why a lot of people 'don't get' PCM. It's so easy to fall on either side; either flat out parody or overly serious dad-music. PCM is kind of a non-binary irony and that is part of the reason it feels so fresh and new. I know this is just semantics but I really like talking about it for some reason. ha.
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Post by Keith_Courage on Aug 2, 2015 20:18:56 GMT
I like the term Bubblegum Bass because a lot of it sounds like a fusion of Bubblegum pop tropes and UK bass, also at the time the only alternative was post-ringtone music, and I don't think I need to say more about that.
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Post by Dvnots on Aug 2, 2015 20:52:05 GMT
I like the term Bubblegum Bass because a lot of it sounds like a fusion of Bubblegum pop tropes and UK bass, also at the time the only alternative was post-ringtone music, and I don't think I need to say more about that. Yeah. Think about how many shitty genre names there are; it's because there wasn't any better name at the time (wonky, chillwave, etc). Personally I shorten it to bubblebass sometimes because it kinda clicks in my mind. I'm just happy it didn't get a name like "flavorwave" or "pinkbass"
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Post by conor on Aug 2, 2015 21:05:36 GMT
I like the term Bubblegum Bass because a lot of it sounds like a fusion of Bubblegum pop tropes and UK bass, also at the time the only alternative was post-ringtone music, and I don't think I need to say more about that. I guess I just think using the word bass in the genre of a type of music limits its ability to branch out. Tons of BGB doesnt really fit within bass music as a whole IMO
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Post by Keith_Courage on Aug 2, 2015 22:37:50 GMT
That's interesting, I never thought of that term as limiting itself, but I suppose as soon as you start to categorize something it inherently limits itself. I'm open to all the terms u all are throwing around.
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Post by ♀ venus ♀ on Aug 2, 2015 23:37:21 GMT
@&&&&&&& I rushed my little comment so I probs should have been a bit clearer, when I said url i meant like the opposite of irl u know like coz it's so mysterious and online instead of anything that tangible. Also I don't like that PCm is becoming a trend but that's just how stuff works in the creative sphere, collective inspiration comes in waves and soon everyone will be over PC but I will still be a fan (most likely ) Yeah a lot of conversations on here, that should be just that a conversation, an exchange of ideas, become an attack on the minority opinion or the weaker opinion so quickly. Sometimes it's easy to read comments as attacks as well, internet inflection is pretty much non-existent. I feel like unless someone is being like particularly offensive we should all cool our jets haha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 0:14:22 GMT
i know that "PC Music" is a label and stuff but why don't just generalize it and call the gender that? i think it really incorporates all the elements that you guys talked about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 1:02:20 GMT
henrik be cursed yo
on-topic I thought the vid was pretty cool though.
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Post by Keith_Courage on Aug 3, 2015 4:22:05 GMT
'henirk the controversy' more like! boom! zap! pow! aaaand i'm spent!
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Post by conor on Aug 3, 2015 15:29:16 GMT
@&&&&&&& I rushed my little comment so I probs should have been a bit clearer, when I said url i meant like the opposite of irl u know like coz it's so mysterious and online instead of anything that tangible. Also I don't like that PCm is becoming a trend but that's just how stuff works in the creative sphere, collective inspiration comes in waves and soon everyone will be over PC but I will still be a fan (most likely ) Yeah a lot of conversations on here, that should be just that a conversation, an exchange of ideas, become an attack on the minority opinion or the weaker opinion so quickly. Sometimes it's easy to read comments as attacks as well, internet inflection is pretty much non-existent. I feel like unless someone is being like particularly offensive we should all cool our jets haha. I never meant anything I said as an attack on others opinions, I just felt that instead of criticism it was just turning into personal attacks on people like Simon and Henrik who are both super nice people who genuinely love the music they share, so I just felt some need to defend that. I personally would hate being called a fisher price version of a group of musicians that I was semi involved with.
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