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Post by -- on Nov 19, 2015 14:16:34 GMT
I saw Grimes this Saturday and it was everything. So good omg. I saw Grimes live in the summer when she opened for Lana Del Rey. She was so good. But i kinda wanna see her live again now that Art Angels is out. Even though i'm still salty about what she said about Sophie XD |
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Post by Andromeda on May 26, 2016 23:10:43 GMT
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Post by aphextwink on May 26, 2016 23:55:47 GMT
this brings up some fair points (the strongest of which is directly quoted from the fader article lol anyway) but i was really irked by this bit: "It's difficult to say with any certainty if any of their femme affiliates, such as Quinn Thomas, had any creative agency in the conception, production, or execution of the works they promote" haven't all (almost all?) of the women from PC Music talked about their creative processes? especially QT!! like, if i'm not mistaken, she created the energy drink and had much more creative control over the entire QT project than people give her credit for... |
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Post by deathworld on May 27, 2016 1:33:28 GMT
Also, if it's difficult to say with any certainty that they had creative input, should you really be writing an article about it? maybe this person should read or watch interviews with the actual artists instead of reading other people's thinkpieces and rehashing this crap.
If this person cares so much about female artists having agency, why aren't they writing about positive examples instead of negative ones?
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Post by mlamla on May 27, 2016 1:48:48 GMT
you would think art and music would be the last safehaven for free expression
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Post by aphextwink on May 27, 2016 2:21:14 GMT
i'm honestly not opposed to pointing out genres/areas where marginalized groups' voices are not being fairly represented because i think it's good to combat inequities and to make music accessible to people who have faced systemic opposition. i personally do not see this as an issue currently within PC Music. perhaps from a production standpoint, it may be important to note the ratio of men to women. with the information we have, it's just incorrect to claim that the women in PC Music are lacking in creative agency. i think that may be something good to ask of PC Music artists if anyone is able to interview them anytime soon
also this article is certainly not preventing anyone from expressing themselves freely. there's a difference between dialogue and censorship.
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Post by mlamla on May 27, 2016 2:35:06 GMT
also this article is certainly not preventing anyone from expressing themselves freely. there's a difference between dialogue and censorship. I suppose so, but it still takes all the fun out of PC Music though |
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Post by aphextwink on May 27, 2016 2:43:26 GMT
also this article is certainly not preventing anyone from expressing themselves freely. there's a difference between dialogue and censorship. I suppose so, but it still takes all the fun out of PC Music though i disagree but it's probably just because i think it's interesting and enjoyable to critically examine art & music but yes it is fun to just listen a lot of the time |
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Post by ignatz on May 27, 2016 4:01:23 GMT
Its on medium so its not really an 'article'. Just a random person's blog post written for potential employers more than anything.
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Post by -- on May 27, 2016 6:52:35 GMT
I still don't understand the appropriation of femininity. If Sophie feels like this is a way for him to tap into his own femininity as well as AG and the rest, then what's the problem? Femininity is so shunned and really looked down upon but we see it so willingly accepted by people who enjoy GFOTY and SOPHIE and AG and Danny. And again who's to say that it's "femininity" you know? Like if we really wanted to go there, gender norms shouldn't be applied to art and imagery and music. Cause these things aren't people. Idk it's interesting.
Plus I don't think that they actually realize that this genre has been a thing before "PC music" was an official thing.
Also these concepts are so simple and basic to understand that I feel like people are looking for so much more when there really isn't. It's just that one thing.
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Post by ¬ on May 27, 2016 8:57:48 GMT
this literally sounds like the person has a thesaurus, has read a bunch of thinkpieces and is rehashing them, lol. like it's 2014 again
"This ultimately static trajectory in an otherwise gray area of creative-initiatives refuses to activate a productive discourse" whatever, its just music and has never purported to be anythin else
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 13:26:46 GMT
this literally sounds like the person has a thesaurus, has read a bunch of thinkpieces and is rehashing them, lol. like it's 2014 again "This ultimately static trajectory in an otherwise gray area of creative-initiatives refuses to activate a productive discourse" whatever, its just music and has never purported to be anythin else It's Medium so it's an amateur writer rehashing previous things they've read in their own time, unpaid. It's probably someone practicing their writing/ creating a piece in order to submit it to a publication. Judging by that juicy + nonsensical word salad this person is an amateur. I understand defending something you like from criticism, and that PC Music news is few and far between but it's pointless to rehash this argument AGAIN over a freelancers mess. |
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Post by howaboutno on May 27, 2016 14:01:05 GMT
The number one thing that annoys me most about this article is it still believes PC Music is trying to parody pop. I honestly really want a well-researched and informed article that tries to take the 'feminine appropriation' angle, because I feel like it's a thing worth at least considering, but I refuse to give these blatantly shit-tier articles any real attention or respect.
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Post by ¬ on May 27, 2016 14:53:08 GMT
this literally sounds like the person has a thesaurus, has read a bunch of thinkpieces and is rehashing them, lol. like it's 2014 again "This ultimately static trajectory in an otherwise gray area of creative-initiatives refuses to activate a productive discourse" whatever, its just music and has never purported to be anythin else It's Medium so it's an amateur writer rehashing previous things they've read in their own time, unpaid. It's probably someone practicing their writing/ creating a piece in order to submit it to a publication. Judging by that juicy + nonsensical word salad this person is an amateur. I understand defending something you like from criticism, and that PC Music news is few and far between but it's pointless to rehash this argument AGAIN over a freelancers mess. good point! i was wondering if this was a bit like calling out a Twitter Rando and now I'm awake, it is |
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Post by Dvnots on May 27, 2016 21:00:34 GMT
Hannah Diamond and GFOTY have both given interviews that have addressed how people always assume that they have little to no role in their art and how that's completely untrue. HD and GFOTY cowrite all of their songs and I believe they have almost 100% control over lyrics. Hannah also creates all of her own visual art, and a lot of other people's visual art. I honestly think it's really sexist to assume that they have no role in the production of their art when they've said otherwise. Even Spinee, who literally does fucking everything in her music, is a victim of this kind of sexism. People are crying out sexism by saying that it's all AG Cook and the men of PCM manipulating the women, but can't they see how sexist it is to assume that women can't be artists?
Also I definitely agree with PCM NOT being a pop parody. It's also been in interviews. People need to do their fucking research.
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