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Post by austinjamesrobinson on Jan 15, 2016 4:25:47 GMT
So I'm a big fan of comedy and would consider myself a funny-man to an extent. I see Naomi as a comedian artist who is making fun of those art-school pretensions. I think I'm really into her because she isn't truly an artist - she's a comedian. You should read her two books - "I Am A Hologram From The Year 2046" and "Ordinary People, Extraordinary Burritos" - because they both give a glimpse into her brain on how she feels about art and everything regarding it. I definitely believe there is valuable substance to her in the realm of comedy. However, I do understand that I am heavily invested in her, and that someone who may not know where she might - because she's never outrightly stated it - be coming from could see her as a silly white rich art school girl who can do whatever she wants without substance. AHHH A FUNNY MAN yeah - that was a joke I don't think anyone would serious use the title "funny-man"
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Post by austinjamesrobinson on Jan 15, 2016 4:27:03 GMT
AHHH A FUNNY MAN yeah - that was a joke I don't think anyone would serious use the title "funny-man" And I totally knew that would be the part of my messages to stand out
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Post by wuchi on Jan 15, 2016 5:16:39 GMT
I seriously dont understand the recent hype around Naomi Elizabeth at all. I think that some of the ideas she's working with are interesting but the music is god-awful and her videos come off as the worst kind of art-school pretension. Good art should be about more than just the ideas behind it: there has to be soeme valuable substance too. Do people really enjoy listening to stuff like "The Topic is Ass"?? So I'm a big fan of comedy and would consider myself a funny-man to an extent. I see Naomi as a comedian artist who is making fun of those art-school pretensions. I think I'm really into her because she isn't truly an artist - she's a comedian. You should read her two books - "I Am A Hologram From The Year 2046" and "Ordinary People, Extraordinary Burritos" - because they both give a glimpse into her brain on how she feels about art and everything regarding it. I definitely believe there is valuable substance to her in the realm of comedy. However, I do understand that I am heavily invested in her, and that someone who may not know where she might - because she's never outrightly stated it - be coming from could see her as a silly white rich art school girl who can do whatever she wants without substance. OK I will concede that "God Sent Me Here to Rock You" is weirdly catchy and hypnotic in a John Maus kind of way. Maybe if she had more songs like that I would dig her. But if there is a joke in any of the videos beyond creating a weird sense of uncanneyness then I don't get it, and the more of them I watch the more cringe-inducing they get. To me it comes off as embodying all the criticisms detractors make of PC Music: too caught up in ironic detachment and image construction without doing anything interesting musically. To my ears, at least: different strokes for different folks, etc. So I'm a big fan of comedy and would consider myself a funny-man to an extent. I see Naomi as a comedian artist who is making fun of those art-school pretensions. I think I'm really into her because she isn't truly an artist - she's a comedian. You should read her two books - "I Am A Hologram From The Year 2046" and "Ordinary People, Extraordinary Burritos" - because they both give a glimpse into her brain on how she feels about art and everything regarding it. I definitely believe there is valuable substance to her in the realm of comedy. However, I do understand that I am heavily invested in her, and that someone who may not know where she might - because she's never outrightly stated it - be coming from could see her as a silly white rich art school girl who can do whatever she wants without substance. I'm also REALLY into comedians who will NEVER claim they are comedians. I don't believe she has ever commented on whether or not she would consider herself a comedian, but the people like her who play the part of an artist or musician or whatever interest me SO MUCH. I believe it's an art-form in and of itself. For example, I heavily believe that two rappers, Soulja Boy and Lil' B, DEFINITELY know what they are doing. I know more about Soulja Boy than Lil' B, but to my knowledge neither of these rappers have ever stated that they are comedians or playing the part of rappers just to make people laugh. But I wholeheartedly (but again I haven't looked much into Lil' B - and I'm sure someone could refute me easily because I'm, for the most part, ignorant on these two people) believe they are comedians who will never break their acting. And if this is true, I believe the whole thing is a commentary on actual rappers (or as a whole, actual artists) who truly believe their art is changing the world or will go down in history or that they are so important and that God literally chose them (or in Naomi's words "God sent me here to rock you"). Basically these huge serious artists with such big heads. I can see how someone could see this as totally far-fetched, but I definitely welcome people to educate me on whether you believe or not - based on evidence or not - that Naomi, Lil' B, Soulja Boy, etc. (anyone else you can think of like this) these "artists" are actually artists or comedians dressed up as artists (which is really an art form itself, but we won't get into that). God, I love this concept so much. I really have to disagree here. You're right in that their music is generally fun and free-spirited I don't think that Soulja Boy or Lil B are trying to make a statement about music and culture anything like how Naomi Elizabeth is. Of course you could critically read into "Yahh Trick Yahh!" or "I'm Miley Cyrus" enough to fill a Master's Thesis if you want but at the end of the day those two are artists who make very genuine music that comes from a raw place without a grand amount of thinking attached. Lil B is maybe the ultimate impulsive artist living today, and while I don't doubt for a second that he's aware of the comedic value of what he's doing I don't think he or Soulja Boy are "acting" at all but that their music is a natural extension of themselves and their sense of humor. With Naomi's stuff I definitely get the impression that the "Naomi Elizabeth" in the videos is a constructed character. Like you with Lil B I can't say I am extremely knowledgable about her work but everything from the aloof straight-faces in her videos to quotes like "I compose and perform music, even though I largely hate music" on her Twitter suggest to me that she sees herself as a conceptual musician moreso than doing things in a very unfiltered way like Soulja Boy and Lil B. There's nothing wrong with this approach at all imo, most of my favorite contemporary artists could be lumped into this category like Dean Blunt and PC Music, but there's a lot more fun in that stuff to me and Naomi Elizabeth just comes off to me as sterile and trying too hard. I definitely agree with you about the comedic value of PC Music though. The humor that's implicit in most of their material seems to go over most people's heads. To be honest I think that it's a British thing that a lot of Americans don't pick up on.
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Post by friopi on Jan 15, 2016 20:54:07 GMT
I love you all but this is something that's been bothering me for a while and I'm guilty of doing it occasionally myself but it has to be said and I can't keep quiet any longer... Quoting has gotten out of hand on threads all across this forum. IMO just quote the part you're replying to, and definitely don't make a long quote with a long quote inside it. You can avoid this by clicking quote and then erasing the earlier quotes/parts that aren't relevant. This has been an off-topic PSA lol please go about your business
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 21:41:46 GMT
I think quite often criticisms about whether a musician is 'conceptual' or not just leads to an endless back and forth questioning of the authenticity of artists. IMO Music, cos its art, is always conceptual... Whether it explores or presents the concepts in an interesting way is another question. Questions about an artists authenticty or whatever seem like a dead end to me. A piece of music can't represent an artists full existence or authentic world view, it's unfair to expect it to. Songs often create characters inevitably when the listener subjectively perceives what the lyrics/music is about.
If the previous paragraph is unclear to you, I'm sorry: it's unclear to me too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 19:50:25 GMT
'I Kissed A Girl' updated for the 21st century.
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Post by arlo on Jun 13, 2016 22:49:19 GMT
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Post by -- on Jun 14, 2016 10:19:27 GMT
Thoughts on the song about him sleeping with his wife that just had a baby:
Let her vagina heal bro.
LMFAOO his songs are too much. I mean I'll jam but I ew lmfao
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Post by arlo on Aug 8, 2016 4:31:44 GMT
He posted this image today on facebook with the caption "Coming Soon #songsaboutmywife". I guess this is the album cover, and if it is, it's perfect.
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Post by mumsnetmafia on Aug 20, 2016 4:46:07 GMT
I'm sitting here in my room, it's 6:45am and my friend is sleeping so I can't listen to the songs but I am intrigued 🤔
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