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Post by mylo on Jan 29, 2015 4:58:28 GMT
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Post by lost in the file system on Jan 29, 2015 14:45:37 GMT
Carles has a voice that could have actually said something insightful about PC music, but instead he just made comments about the associated women. I figured he would post about PC on his new site, but it seems he and his demographic are more concerned with talking about 'getting it', while PC fans just want to have fun and be cute. I think the scalability re:PC Music is a good topic, since every outlet has covered it and it has all been released for free up until Every Night, but he didn't actually say anything about that. Maybe someone could argue to me that this is somehow in response to the Fader piece, or all of the think pieces in general.
While I'm glad Carles is back, this post really offends me. I guess I am more sensitive to his misogyny than when I read HRO back in the day. It's a shame because he says some brilliant things but then he dumbs it down and posts about 'alt celebrities' 'tit's'
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Post by deathworld on Jan 30, 2015 6:43:41 GMT
I think that's his point though. PC Music is full of hot girls and they appear very prominently in the artwork. It's a valid concern for some critics that PC are getting attention in part because of the "sexie net babes". Carles is satirizing anyone who follows PC Music because of the hot "alt celebrities" or takes lyrics like GFOTY's Friday Night at face value. There's definitely a lot to be unpacked in how PC are using women and femininity as a part of their image and the Fader piece did a pretty good job of that in my opinion. PC are very conscious of their own image and their heavy, heavy use of feminine vocals, imagery, and presentation is not by accident considering their art school backgrounds. I feel like AG Cook and the guy who writes as Carles would probably be on the same page if they met IRL. AG is clearly pretty interested in taking traditional pop tropes and mutating them waaaay past people's comfort zone, so it doesn't surprise me that PC Music makes some people uncomfortable in the feminist sense. In any case, I wouldn't call Carles' writing misogynistic since he exists to lampoon actual misogynists who aren't sensitive to how PC is critiquing music culture and only see the "QTs" on the album art. If you're thinking of Princess Bambi in the same category as Katya Sambuca, you're getting something really really wrong about PC. PS. Not all PC fans just want to have fun and be cute. I want to have fun and be cute and also think critically about music  |
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Post by brett on Jan 30, 2015 15:38:56 GMT
I think that's his point though. PC Music is full of hot girls and they appear very prominently in the artwork. It's a valid concern for some critics that PC are getting attention in part because of the "sexie net babes". Carles is satirizing anyone who follows PC Music because of the hot "alt celebrities" or takes lyrics like GFOTY's Friday Night at face value. There's definitely a lot to be unpacked in how PC are using women and femininity as a part of their image and the Fader piece did a pretty good job of that in my opinion. PC are very conscious of their own image and their heavy, heavy use of feminine vocals, imagery, and presentation is not by accident considering their art school backgrounds. I feel like AG Cook and the guy who writes as Carles would probably be on the same page if they met IRL. AG is clearly pretty interested in taking traditional pop tropes and mutating them waaaay past people's comfort zone, so it doesn't surprise me that PC Music makes some people uncomfortable in the feminist sense. In any case, I wouldn't call Carles' writing misogynistic since he exists to lampoon actual misogynists who aren't sensitive to how PC is critiquing music culture and only see the "QTs" on the album art. If you're thinking of Princess Bambi in the same category as Katya Sambuca, you're getting something really really wrong about PC. PS. Not all PC fans just want to have fun and be cute. I want to have fun and be cute and also think critically about music lemonadebrezhnev, i've responded to your post by annotating it in google docs: docs.google.com/document/d/1O12Thql6cP36K7p7WmsVysHrS5ki1FK6cwfwmoD7Plk/edit?usp=sharing |
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Post by deathworld on Jan 30, 2015 17:25:19 GMT
The annotations aren't showing up for me. Why not just post it here?
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Post by brett on Jan 30, 2015 18:02:34 GMT
what is feminine imagery and presentation? Isn't the issue that femininity is exploited by male dominated PC Music which carries an implicitly male subject as author and audience?
what is the implication here? that art school students are necessarily enchanted with "feminine vocals imagery and presentation"? I don't understand.
what is the "feminist sense"? What "normal" are you rhetorically establishing by distinguishing and other-ing a "feminist sense"? This implies that concerns about misogyny can't be perceived except within a realm of triviality or marginality.
this is a biased perception of Carles (and PC Music) as satirical. This is privileging one interpretation of the art over all others. This is dangerous and violent in this case in which you are denying the concern and ignoring the voice of people who might feel offended or oppressed by this art, satirical or not.
again, emphasizing the artists' intents as satirical privileges one interpretation and denies and silences others. basically, privileging the politically unaffected masculine interpretation of art which has the freedom to make any utterance and justify itself as "satirical" and critical of "actual misogynists".
why are you suggesting that there is one correct interpretation of art?
i think a response like yours aims to justify and rationalize where it is inappropriate to do so. if lost in the file system says they are made uncomfortable by some art, you should accept this instead of essentially saying "no you don't understand! they are making fun of the real misogynists!" i would say you're not thinking very critically about this art if you ignore and rationalize others' perceptions in emphasizing your own interpretation.
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Post by lost in the file system on Jan 31, 2015 16:28:48 GMT
I think that's his point though. PC Music is full of hot girls and they appear very prominently in the artwork. It's a valid concern for some critics that PC are getting attention in part because of the "sexie net babes". Carles is satirizing anyone who follows PC Music because of the hot "alt celebrities" or takes lyrics like GFOTY's Friday Night at face value. There's definitely a lot to be unpacked in how PC are using women and femininity as a part of their image and the Fader piece did a pretty good job of that in my opinion. PC are very conscious of their own image and their heavy, heavy use of feminine vocals, imagery, and presentation is not by accident considering their art school backgrounds. I feel like AG Cook and the guy who writes as Carles would probably be on the same page if they met IRL. AG is clearly pretty interested in taking traditional pop tropes and mutating them waaaay past people's comfort zone, so it doesn't surprise me that PC Music makes some people uncomfortable in the feminist sense. In any case, I wouldn't call Carles' writing misogynistic since he exists to lampoon actual misogynists who aren't sensitive to how PC is critiquing music culture and only see the "QTs" on the album art. If you're thinking of Princess Bambi in the same category as Katya Sambuca, you're getting something really really wrong about PC. PS. Not all PC fans just want to have fun and be cute. I want to have fun and be cute and also think critically about music You are right there is definitely a critical nature to it. I was just trying to distance what I think 'the point' is away from a discussion on irony vs. sincerity in favor of one on the elements of pop. My main point was that people give Carles too much credit and some of his posts are trash. I love the dude, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 17:08:41 GMT
Honestly, I don't have too much to say because I just entirely hate how so much music culture these days is built upon "irony" or what people think is "ironic". I have a One Direction poster in my dorm room and I talk about pop music semi-frequently and people at the college I go to always ask me "so...how ironic is your liking of one direction?" And that just irks me so much. I LIKE One Direction. It's music I can dance to, enjoy, talk about with some of my friends, etc. same with taylor swift, ariana grande, nicki minaj, and others. Pleasure is not ironic. That's what I always want to say in response, but that sounds too pretentious to give as a real life reply. I do stand by it though. Pleasure is and shouldn't be construed as "ironic". If you like something why try and hide your true liking of it behind saying that it's ironic? Also if you're for a lack of words "forcing" yourself to like something ironically (or only liking it enough for it to be ironic) because everyone around you is saying it's good but you're just going with the flow of whatever is at the top of music culture at the time...that's just lame.
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Post by sunnyta on Feb 4, 2015 20:18:27 GMT
but it seems he and his demographic are more concerned with talking about 'getting it', while PC fans just want to have fun and be cute. b-b-b-bingo |
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Post by sunnyta on Feb 4, 2015 20:29:59 GMT
one thing that irks me is when people call for self-censorship on the basis that something as innocuous as satire can be "dangerous" or "offensive" because people choose to interpret it seriously. satire is meant to draw attention to the ridiculous underpinnings of things such as being genuinely misogynistic, and there's a difference between showing something and endorsing it the moment we start walking on eggshells because someone somewhere will be offended is the moment we open the floodgates. what are you going to do if i were to express offense at you giving your opinion? or are we going to have a sliding scale of whose offense takes priority? it's silly and truly damaging to the free nature of the internet (and civilized society as a whole, as well) |
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Post by Keith_Courage on Feb 4, 2015 20:40:32 GMT
couldn't have said it better myself, sunnyta
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