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Post by conor on Aug 20, 2015 20:10:00 GMT
i mean....... just to play devils advocate slightly, who here would pay *actual money* for a Activia Benz or Manicure record? i know it's super crass to bring money into this but i feel like there clearly is a distinction as a listener between something which is available for free on Soundcloud and something that can be purchased IRL (Sophie, Felicita, fingers crossed for some AG eventually) ( i know) I would absolutely purchase tons of releases from activia benz have you heard the Holly Waxwing release through their Singles Club? EDIT just read you have, check em all out!!! |
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Post by conor on Aug 20, 2015 20:13:19 GMT
You are sounding like a jerk who thinks he knows everything  no intention to imply that I know anything....What did I say that indicated that? I was accusatory, yes. But I just wonder what I said that made me seem like I know anything. I was just defending artists that I value because I don't think they are the lowly PC rejects like he was implying.. Sorry if I sounded that way |
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Post by a_M on Aug 20, 2015 20:37:38 GMT
i mean....... just to play devils advocate slightly, who here would pay *actual money* for a Activia Benz or Manicure record? i know it's super crass to bring money into this but i feel like there clearly is a distinction as a listener between something which is available for free on Soundcloud and something that can be purchased IRL (Sophie, Felicita, fingers crossed for some AG eventually) ( i know) I guess this means I'm the devil y'all. just in an endearing way  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 21:00:41 GMT
i just think that "bubblegum bass" seems like a mockery. but pc music collaborators are so full of mysteries and i don't even know if they take themselves REALLY serious or they're just having fun.
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Post by loukessler on Aug 20, 2015 22:52:01 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, I think its a no brainer as a listener and a fan to do the best you can to divorce the official PC Music releases from pretty much every other artist in the conversation at hand (Personally, I go with the genre classification of "Etc" for the jabronis that make up the peripheral acts). Not that there aren't some good artists makin' solid tunes sonically on the outskirts of the temple but the difference between the house that A. G., Danny, Finn, and co. built and pretty much everyone else is night(core) and day. Personally, it just BAFFLES me that I even have to feel the need to explain to y'all just how blatant the divide I'm speaking of is... Additionally true in terms of overall musical proficiency and talent, PC Music is on another fuckin' planet in terms of aesthetic when compared to the rest of the artists that comprise the godforsaken "scene" at hand. As PC Music manages to formulate not only individual aesthetics across their roster but additionally an overarching label aesthetic that is seamless, concurrent, and goddamn hard earned, everyone else pretty much rests on the played out simpleton aesthetic laurel of "cute." Motherfuck cute. I feel like the fanbase is making moves comparable to lumping the Velvet Underground and Good Charlotte together with no regard for a hierarchy or an originator and its soooooo disheartening. I recognize this forum/"community" is predominately shits and gigs, good vibes and sunshine but I can't help but get livid when the most exciting thing in music today is simultaneously misunderstood and ignored by the press and its own fan base. Guys we are starting to sound like phish fans. lolz. But seriously I think fantasma has a point. The rampant nightcore makes me a little sad. I know it's a overused cliche to say 'it all sounds the same to me.' But all nightcore sounds the same to me. I've discussed it before but there is a super fine line between LoLz We R BeiNg CuTe n funi, and what Danny, AG, and Sophie are doing. Just look at dux kids. It's young people making cutesy kids music without being overtly IrOnIc. I can't help but feel the 'cute' aesthetic is becoming banal. This is how it must have felt for the 2nd wave or rave artists in the early 90s. A small set of artists were creating new and exciting music only to be emulated by others except missing the point of what made it so interesting and creative in the first place. I'm loukessler and I'm a PCM fanboy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 0:17:24 GMT
guys you are being kinda pedantic for fans whose most known artist made a song about an energy drink
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Post by fantasma on Aug 21, 2015 5:44:26 GMT
guys you are being kinda pedantic for fans whose most known artist made a song about an energy drink Go home. |
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Post by deathworld on Aug 21, 2015 7:16:22 GMT
I don't find genres to be helpful in categorizing or sorting music, or in drawing connections from one piece of music to another. But genres are helpful in describing what a song sounds like and communicating with other people. In that sense, "bubblegum bass" is a great name for a lot of the music we're hearing right now because it's descriptive, but it's not a very accurate name for the whole scene. Ideally my favorite artists are making music that falls in the cracks between genres, and you inevitably end up describing that music as a combo of a bunch of other things. Eg. "It's sort of housey but it has trap drums and this weird funk bassline". If the world can agree on a label for the kind of music you're making, you need to change it up and innovate. That's the exciting part about bass music and internet music! Scenes aren't meant to last forever!
Anyway back when everyone was making "future bass" music in between dubstep and trap, I was really getting into the catchier R&B/footwork influenced tracks and started calling them "sugarbass", which I feel is a pretty good catch-all for electronic music which balances poppiness and sparkly production with sonic innovation and a degree of undergroundness. Stuff like Rustie, Jacques Greene, Star Slinger, HudMo, who are definitely precursors to the current bubblegum bass sound.
Any thoughts about sugarbass?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 12:11:40 GMT
If nobody was trying to imitate PC Music's sound that would mean they've failed. Of course most of it isn't going to be on PCM's level, either musically or conceptually; they've set an incredibly high bar. But that doesn't mean it's all garbage either, and I feel that judging all music by those standards might cause some of you to miss out on some pretty good tunes. But if you really do think all poppy/clubby music that isn't PCM sucks, that's... fine. It's just music. Ignore it instead of acting personally offended by its existence. A. G. and SOPHIE's careers aren't going to suffer because some people also enjoy listening to nightcore or Henrik. Oh and by the way there's plenty of really talented producers that have been recently inspired by PCM's sound, but aren't just copying their style. Look at Sable, ABSRDST, Spazzkid, Blackbird Blackbird, Wave Racer, various Maltine Records people, etc. Many of these artists have been doing similar things for a while, while some have only recently incorporated PCM-esque things into their existing sound, to pretty good (imo) results. maltine records rocks. tofubeats (aka dj newtown) is releasing a new album and the first single is great. guys you are being kinda pedantic for fans whose most known artist made a song about an energy drink Go home. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 12:14:03 GMT
I don't find genres to be helpful in categorizing or sorting music, or in drawing connections from one piece of music to another. But genres are helpful in describing what a song sounds like and communicating with other people. In that sense, "bubblegum bass" is a great name for a lot of the music we're hearing right now because it's descriptive, but it's not a very accurate name for the whole scene. Ideally my favorite artists are making music that falls in the cracks between genres, and you inevitably end up describing that music as a combo of a bunch of other things. Eg. "It's sort of housey but it has trap drums and this weird funk bassline". If the world can agree on a label for the kind of music you're making, you need to change it up and innovate. That's the exciting part about bass music and internet music! Scenes aren't meant to last forever! Anyway back when everyone was making "future bass" music in between dubstep and trap, I was really getting into the catchier R&B/footwork influenced tracks and started calling them "sugarbass", which I feel is a pretty good catch-all for electronic music which balances poppiness and sparkly production with sonic innovation and a degree of undergroundness. Stuff like Rustie, Jacques Greene, Star Slinger, HudMo, who are definitely precursors to the current bubblegum bass sound. Any thoughts about sugarbass? it reminds me of the sugababes |
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Post by 123 on Aug 21, 2015 16:53:31 GMT
I don't find genres to be helpful in categorizing or sorting music, or in drawing connections from one piece of music to another. But genres are helpful in describing what a song sounds like and communicating with other people. In that sense, "bubblegum bass" is a great name for a lot of the music we're hearing right now because it's descriptive, but it's not a very accurate name for the whole scene. Ideally my favorite artists are making music that falls in the cracks between genres, and you inevitably end up describing that music as a combo of a bunch of other things. Eg. "It's sort of housey but it has trap drums and this weird funk bassline". If the world can agree on a label for the kind of music you're making, you need to change it up and innovate. That's the exciting part about bass music and internet music! Scenes aren't meant to last forever! Anyway back when everyone was making "future bass" music in between dubstep and trap, I was really getting into the catchier R&B/footwork influenced tracks and started calling them "sugarbass", which I feel is a pretty good catch-all for electronic music which balances poppiness and sparkly production with sonic innovation and a degree of undergroundness. Stuff like Rustie, Jacques Greene, Star Slinger, HudMo, who are definitely precursors to the current bubblegum bass sound. Any thoughts about sugarbass? it reminds me of the sugababes Is that a bad thing? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 17:01:01 GMT
it reminds me of the sugababes Is that a bad thing? absolutely not |
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Post by coleto on Aug 21, 2015 18:00:34 GMT
i think this genre should be called future pop
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Post by dr on Aug 22, 2015 1:54:40 GMT
i think this genre should be called future pop Interesting suggestion, this is the label Purity Ring uses to describe what they do and I don't know if they're quite doing the same sort of thing as AG Danny GFOTY Hannah & co. but I think there's something to be said for the similarity in production techniques. Pitched and resampled vocals have of course been around for a minute now but both camps have been wildly successful at using them to make a kind of hyperreal pop sound. Purity Ring's most recent record in particular has a very glossy, hi-fi pop sound that AG is constantly going for, albeit with more sonic fuckery and humor. Lyrically of course they're very different: Megan James writes more 'art' style lyrics, intensely poetic and worth looking over on their own to parse what she's expressing, whereas Hannah and GFOTY write the kind of stuff thats more traditionally 'pop' i.e. immediately accessible and direct. That said, tbh I prefer future pop to any of the other descriptors mentioned on this thread for PC & affiliates, though already I see some issues: not all of them make pop songs per se, many make poppy club music. Also, we all know how vague 'future bass' and 'future r&b' are as descriptors. What makes something 'future?' And finally, genre names are constantly in flux and ultimately serve as nothing more than labels for something that is meant to be heard, not categorized. Does any of this even matter?? Just my 2centz |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 14:11:46 GMT
maybe we should call it "oh-my-fucking-god-when-is-SOPHIE-gonna-releasing-anything-new pop"
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