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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:09:33 GMT
Haha shitdog I didn't see your post but I feel like we're saying the same thing! definitely I disagree on your point about satire though, I don't think you can really look at GFOTY's persona and music and tell me she isn't being satirical or ironic. PC Music is a really diverse group of artists and they all work in slightly different ways. There are definitely elements of satire in some of their output, but also elements of true sincerity. It's not a binary issue where they have to be one or the other. I feel like in some ways their over the top embracing of commercial music industry tropes is definitely satire, but at the same time they have a real relationship with RBMA that helps them get stuff done. Some stereotypical music industry things they do scan like satire, but other ones like AG's practice of artistic development and Hannah's genuine love of airbrushing are pretty central to the label's songwriting success and aesthetic presentation. That's true! That's really fair to say, it's not just either no satire or a lot of satire. I forgot to acknowledge the irony within GFOTY's persona! I guess my main problem is just within people praising them for being so intellectual when it comes to satirizing the music industry when, to me, they appear more as just a reflection of the music industry that is/can be equally as problematic. Like their characters are new and refreshing. Nothing about GFOTY is plain or boring or expected! I personally see QT as a lot deeper of a character and the narration that goes along with them; however, people that have a lot of praise for QT are usually just like lol! It's a satire of women objectification! And I'm kinda just like :/... |
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May 4, 2015 15:30:01 GMT
Post by loukessler on May 4, 2015 15:30:01 GMT
For me, PCM has been about embracing the feminine energy that is such a big part of not only pop music but style, creativity, fashion, art, etc. A lot of pop music is hyper masculine, and rejects anything that is thought to be feminine. Kind of like how glam rock did it in the 70s. As with PCM, Eno was not "stealing" or "appropriating" the feminine aesthetic, he was celebrating it.
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May 4, 2015 19:59:41 GMT
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Post by friopi on May 4, 2015 19:59:41 GMT
Champiness, I saw and enjoyed your posts on ILX before I found this forum and reading that thread was actually one of the things that led me to seek out this space! I'm so happy to have a place for this kind of conversation.
Shitdog, I so feel the same way about people not giving QT nearly enough thought or credit. IMO the entire concept/project is by far one of the most interesting things to come out of PC Music, and could be analyzed from so many different angles including gender, natural vs synthetic, physical vs digital, identity, marketing/capitalism, entrepreneurism, posthumanism, metaphor, etc. But the vast majority of think pieces and articles ignore all that and just parrot the same "satire" interpretation. Most of them also ignore/erase the (IMO substantial) role that Hayden plays in the project which is especially irritating when they're interpreting QT as a "satire on the objectification of women." The way I see it, the actual song Hey QT is only the tip of the iceberg that is QT. I could be wrong but does anyone really think that musically, the song is interesting enough to have generated the amount of attention that it has? Not that I don't like the song, but it's the image and concept that are really interesting to me.
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Post by Keith_Courage on May 5, 2015 0:56:47 GMT
I personally think PC Music is kind of this representation of a futuristic record label. Like all of their releases are digital and the computer is the central tool to the creation of its music. Even exaggerating that concept, they have robot avatars being the pop stars and I think of people like A. G. Cook and Danny L Harle being the cliche spectacled scientists controlling the wires (though maybe that's my own imagined perception at times). But I never forget that these are real people/friends just having fun with some ideas. Its funny that no one wants to look into the label with a positive view, they'd rather just like to deconstruct as much as they claim the label is doing to pop music, and are quick to look for issues of sexism and capitalism when I'm sure there are actual record labels guilty of actual sexism and greed, why go after a bunch of kids having fun giving most of their music away for free mind you. How do people fail to pick up on the fact that despite the 'aesthetic' the music sounds like it was made with so much personality and fun. This isn't some morose statement on pop culture but rather a context to let your imagination run wild. But aesthetically everything about PC to me just speaks 'future'. The complex arrangements and detritus of samples sprinkled within, the hyperreal representations of pop stars, I mean its what I imagine a record label in The Fifth Element would be like (speaking of they should totally sign Ruby Rod)
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May 5, 2015 1:31:31 GMT
Post by loukessler on May 5, 2015 1:31:31 GMT
Exactly Keith Courage. These are just some crazy-talented and creative friends who put their heart and soul into what they do. And a Ruby Rod record label?? I think I'm gonna have to run with that, haha.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 5:28:32 GMT
fripoi I COULDN'T SAY THAT BETTER MYSELF!!!
Also, Keith I agree with your viewpoint completely. Even if I do see problems in the things they do, they are very inspiring and I love seeing the creativity that is constantly overflowing from them. To be fair, they put themselves out into the public sphere. They've done interviews. The moment they start representing something (in this case the label PC Music), criticism on sexism and other problematic behavior is very valid in my opinion. It's great they do a lot for free, but it seems pretty clear that one of the reasons they can do a lot of the things they do (especially for free) is because of their privilege (in race, class, etc). If they are going to create a television show, release albums on itunes, perform in more than one country, they deserve to be treated as anyone else in the music industry is and I love them but they should be scrutinized. They don't get a free pass and shouldn't be looked at as martyrs
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May 5, 2015 19:04:48 GMT
Post by GFOT-WHYYYYYYY???? on May 5, 2015 19:04:48 GMT
apparently the hey qt vocalist was only paid £50 and made 2 sign an agreement so she doesnt get any royalties from publishing lol - pretty lame
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May 6, 2015 4:04:59 GMT
Post by champiness on May 6, 2015 4:04:59 GMT
apparently the hey qt vocalist was only paid £50 and made 2 sign an agreement so she doesnt get any royalties from publishing lol - pretty lame hmmm ima need a source on that I heard her name was hannah diamond, she's a.g. cook's girlfeidn |
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May 6, 2015 6:05:19 GMT
Post by nicogrund on May 6, 2015 6:05:19 GMT
hmmm ima need a source on that I heard her name was hannah diamond, she's a.g. cook's girlfeidn It's Hannah Diamond?? And weren't people saying Spinee and AG were dating? |
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May 6, 2015 6:09:01 GMT
Post by champiness on May 6, 2015 6:09:01 GMT
I heard her name was hannah diamond, she's a.g. cook's girlfeidn It's Hannah Diamond?? And weren't people saying Spinee and AG were dating? (I was just kidding) |
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May 6, 2015 8:43:24 GMT
Post by nicogrund on May 6, 2015 8:43:24 GMT
It's Hannah Diamond?? And weren't people saying Spinee and AG were dating? (I was just kidding) Hard to tell via the internet |
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May 6, 2015 16:02:33 GMT
Post by bfotd on May 6, 2015 16:02:33 GMT
yeah I saw the fifty quid thing on twitter and I'd easily believe it
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May 6, 2015 16:45:55 GMT
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Post by twigs on May 6, 2015 16:45:55 GMT
yeah I saw the fifty quid thing on twitter and I'd easily believe it why do you believe things you read on twitter |
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May 8, 2015 18:19:19 GMT
Post by lynton_crosby on May 8, 2015 18:19:19 GMT
as far as i can see, no-one involved or affiliated with pc music has mentioned the general uk election on any public platform
why is this? is this calculated? or is this just the smug & vacuous apathy of the unconcerned?
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May 8, 2015 18:39:01 GMT
Post by champiness on May 8, 2015 18:39:01 GMT
as far as i can see, no-one involved or affiliated with pc music has mentioned the general uk election on any public platform why is this? is this calculated? or is this just the smug & vacuous apathy of the unconcerned? Well I'd say it's because they don't primarily use those platforms for matters unrelated to PC Music goings-on, but if you'd really like to see what that would look like: To be fair they're not actually in the country where it happened at the moment and it's a big day for them. |
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