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Post by ¬ on May 8, 2015 19:34:51 GMT
No matter how small a name you are, from a PR point of view, it's generally a good idea to keep your politics and work separate (unless the work is obviously political). You probably won't see a lot of artists talk about the election on their artist account
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May 8, 2015 20:14:30 GMT
Post by chuka_umunna on May 8, 2015 20:14:30 GMT
a lot of people have contended - from the fawning adam harper to the disgusted alex macpherson - that pc music -is- political, by its very nature. I wasn't expecting a direct endorsement at all, I was just surprised there was absolutely no interaction at all
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May 8, 2015 20:41:00 GMT
Post by ¬ on May 8, 2015 20:41:00 GMT
I strongly disagree with that idea, but regardless making a statement about particular UK parties was never their intention
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May 8, 2015 22:09:21 GMT
Post by john_major_lazer on May 8, 2015 22:09:21 GMT
they may say their piece in time. we shall see, and we shall hope.
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May 8, 2015 23:16:18 GMT
Post by twigs on May 8, 2015 23:16:18 GMT
why would we want our pop caricatures to have political stances? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by ham_ditty on May 8, 2015 23:24:42 GMT
oh, please
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May 9, 2015 17:56:19 GMT
Post by sunnyta on May 9, 2015 17:56:19 GMT
Is Alex Macpherson the 'journalist' who wrote that long piece about how future brown suck and are lame? I don't really like FB but was a huge long exposé about how they suck necessary? And I think he went on to criticize pc music and generalize all of the people in it as socialist or something. That type of review makes me not want to read sites like fact anymore. Dude sounds like the epitome of a RA nerd who only listens to "serious-dance-music". yawn. Maybe the RA crowd think its trivializing their whole aesthetic or something? <this is too long, sorry, i don't wanna make people scroll for a long time> all the criticism i see from people like him really rubs me the wrong way. it seems like they're out to "get" them (jealousy? ignorance?) and just have a strong distaste for pop. there's this weird pop aversion you see all over the internet, with people posting all over youtube how justin bieber sucks or nicki minaj sucks and it drives me up the wall. pop doesn't suck! pop has nuance! it's fun! what's fucking wrong with having fun? femininity is good. masculinity is good. none is better than the other and there's nothing wrong with straight men wanting to be more feminine music or anything like that
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May 9, 2015 18:03:41 GMT
Post by champiness on May 9, 2015 18:03:41 GMT
<this is too long, sorry, i don't wanna make people scroll for a long time> all the criticism i see from people like him really rubs me the wrong way. it seems like they're out to "get" them (jealousy? ignorance?) and just have a strong distaste for pop. there's this weird pop aversion you see all over the internet, with people posting all over youtube how justin bieber sucks or nicki minaj sucks and it drives me up the wall. pop doesn't suck! pop has nuance! it's fun! what's fucking wrong with having fun? femininity is good. masculinity is good. none is better than the other and there's nothing wrong with straight men wanting to be more feminine music or anything like that Well I think the point of my little rant there was that "Lex" isn't really that pop-averse; his issue was with what they were doing to pop, and I wanted to debate his concerns. ILX may be a haven for music nerds but they're generally music nerds with nuanced stances.
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May 10, 2015 1:01:35 GMT
Post by loukessler on May 10, 2015 1:01:35 GMT
<this is too long, sorry, i don't wanna make people scroll for a long time> all the criticism i see from people like him really rubs me the wrong way. it seems like they're out to "get" them (jealousy? ignorance?) and just have a strong distaste for pop. there's this weird pop aversion you see all over the internet, with people posting all over youtube how justin bieber sucks or nicki minaj sucks and it drives me up the wall. pop doesn't suck! pop has nuance! it's fun! what's fucking wrong with having fun? femininity is good. masculinity is good. none is better than the other and there's nothing wrong with straight men wanting to be more feminine music or anything like that Without trying to sound pretentious or self-righteous, in a lot of ways I think PCM is right on the edge of where art is going. Obviously a lot of people have commented on how they sound like pop music from the future or something along those lines. Not only aesthetically but artistically it's an all together new direction. I think a lot of people are not ready for that level of ambiguity in their music or art. "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer. Truth is not the same as art or music but you get the idea. Or in other words: Hate > Hype > Copy.
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May 10, 2015 3:05:36 GMT
Post by nicogrund on May 10, 2015 3:05:36 GMT
Fantano going in. Thoughts? I mean, at the end of the day, I think whether it's derivative or generic or whatever doesn't really matter because PCM is still one of the most enjoyable, exciting things I've ever listened to, and it seems a lot of people don't want to acknowledge how successful the music is in generating that ecstatic/euphoric feeling.
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Post by ignatz on May 10, 2015 4:03:14 GMT
Maybe I hang around the right places but I haven't seen too much criticism around PC Music that centers around "pop music is girly and girly = stupid" arguments. I think the sort of people with those attitudes will get about 30 seconds into their first song, decide it's dumb and never care again. Fantano's criticism sums up the main argument I've seen most often in the wild, which is "it's bad music and you wouldn't care if it wasn't presented in such a trendy way". It's a very lazy argument, and backwards. There are plenty of performers out there who haven't made a good song in years but remain "pop stars" because of their media presence. PC Music doesn't do endless fashion photoshoots or music videos and doesn't need 1000s of "SLAYYY MAMA" instagram comments to stay relevant. Hell, all we had of QT for a long time was one song, one photo and one fictional backstory. If they were intellectually honest, even the h8rs would have to admit it's "about the music" more than most pop fanbases are. I wish I knew more about music on a technical level so I could speak about their chord progressions and time signatures and stuff because those are also very unique and part of what I love about PC Music songs... but I only know enough to appreciate it, not lecture on it
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May 10, 2015 4:33:04 GMT
Post by wuchi on May 10, 2015 4:33:04 GMT
Fantano going in. Thoughts? I mean, at the end of the day, I think whether it's derivative or generic or whatever doesn't really matter because PCM is still one of the most enjoyable, exciting things I've ever listened to, and it seems a lot of people don't want to acknowledge how successful the music is in generating that ecstatic/euphoric feeling. He's so off the mark that he's not even wrong, but fundamentally off. If PC Music wasn't doing anything new, there wouldn't be a reason for people to have invented an entire new genre name for it! They are doing things with pop music that are definitely indebted to the past but reconfigured in an entirely new light. Seriously, find me anything else with the glossy horror of "Wannabe", the drunk primal giddiness of "USA", or the rubbery ecstasy of "Laplander". This is pop music as seen through a radical new lens. PC Music are working with tons of new and creative ideas that are going to be lost on those who can't listen a little bit beyond the surface. Or, I don't know, you could just call it "pretentious" and go back to listening to some fucking Future Islands.
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May 10, 2015 5:05:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 5:05:17 GMT
Maybe I hang around the right places but I haven't seen too much criticism around PC Music that centers around "pop music is girly and girly = stupid" arguments. I think the sort of people with those attitudes will get about 30 seconds into their first song, decide it's dumb and never care again. Fantano's criticism sums up the main argument I've seen most often in the wild, which is "it's bad music and you wouldn't care if it wasn't presented in such a trendy way". It's a very lazy argument, and backwards. There are plenty of performers out there who haven't made a good song in years but remain "pop stars" because of their media presence. PC Music doesn't do endless fashion photoshoots or music videos and doesn't need 1000s of "SLAYYY MAMA" instagram comments to stay relevant. Hell, all we had of QT for a long time was one song, one photo and one fictional backstory. If they were intellectually honest, even the h8rs would have to admit it's "about the music" more than most pop fanbases are. I wish I knew more about music on a technical level so I could speak about their chord progressions and time signatures and stuff because those are also very unique and part of what I love about PC Music songs... but I only know enough to appreciate it, not lecture on it I feel like PC Music's use of social media, fashion, instagram, etc. is definitely helping them stay relevant! Not that that's a bad thing whatsoever. Their presence on the internet is equally interesting as their music in my opinion. I actually feel like I spend more time looking at instagram/social media of PC Music than I do like Taylor Swift/Katy Perry/Ariana Grande/Nicki (the list goes on and on lol). One of the most intriguing parts in my opinion is how they interact and portray themselves on the same media that other popstars are a lot more formal on honestly. They definitely tackle their media presence in contrasting ways but I think PC Music's social media such as instagrams is definitely helping them stay relevant especially since internet trends tend to die away pretty quickly!
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May 10, 2015 6:45:01 GMT
Post by lovergirlsprecinct on May 10, 2015 6:45:01 GMT
Fantano going in. Thoughts? I mean, at the end of the day, I think whether it's derivative or generic or whatever doesn't really matter because PCM is still one of the most enjoyable, exciting things I've ever listened to, and it seems a lot of people don't want to acknowledge how successful the music is in generating that ecstatic/euphoric feeling. Ugh, Fantano is just desperate to cling to some relevancy. The way I would describe PC Music's relation to past/current dance and pop music is that PC Music takes some of the most catchy/identifiable tropes/conventions of pop and dance music of the 2000's, mixes those elements together and ramps them up to a maximalist degree to present something new, that references pop music but is not derivative of it. idk, that's just what I think.
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May 10, 2015 7:27:17 GMT
Post by ¬ on May 10, 2015 7:27:17 GMT
pitch down PC Music and tell me what it actually sounds like, please. and who gives a fuck about originality when there's tunes anyway. The fact that the first thing Phantano had to say (and also the last, apparently) was about what other people had to say about it says it all
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